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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: happytrails on June 27, 2011, 12:13 pm
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Hello my friends
Want to find out the truth about the two main U.S. Cocain suppliers?
Last week I placed an order with both vortexmilkman and GeorgeJung
they both confirmed shipment on Friday 06/24/2011
I placed an order for 1 gram of cocaine from GeorgeJung
and I ordered 3.5 grams of the peruvian flake from cocaine from vortexmilkman
When I placed the orders I did not realize that people can fake their feedback and I was 100% sure that these sellers were both legit based on that feedback - so SR - you need to work something out so people cant fake their feedback so easily! I am hoping that vortex milk man is the real deal and not a scammer like some on here have suggested (I sent him 25 BTC directly) ouch yeah I know it will suck if I get scammed...
but at least if nothing else I will provide a good review to the community you guys can learn from my mistakes if I made one.
In any case they were shipped last friday so they should be here sometime this week and I will post a reply to this topic with full review when shipments are received. If I do not receive anything by friday I will assume it was a scam and will post that information as well.
If anyone would like to donate to me a bitcoin of any size to contribute to me taking the plunge and posting a review for the community
that would be greatly appreciated (Especially if you see I get scammed !) here is the address to send donations to:
18HZfQSmtCLEb9ZrupwzPvZVzAER42Yr7r
so wish me luck and I will keep you updated.
-happytrails
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So your order from GeorgeJung was made inside the escrow system?
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yes the order from georgejung was completely within the escrow system
vortexmilkman, I placed a small order within escrow that was for shipping I believe
this made me feel kind of safe cause I figured I could still leave feedback this way
and I send the rest of payment direct
I guess I put way too much trust in the feedback system
I feel kind of stupid now, but oh well live and learn
and maybe he will turn out to be legit after all
and if not hopefully I can help someone else not to make the same mistake.
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Thats what these forums are here for. :)
There is no proof that VortexMilkman is a scammer, its just that no one has been able to contact him on this site and no one has either provided positive or negative feedback about his sales. By him not going through the escrow system can be both a risk to buyers and it also means the SR site does not get paid or its cut of the sale. This cut on every deal pays for the upkeep and running of SR.
Personally traders who operate outside of the escrow system should be flagged and restricted from selling as they are leaching off the site's reputation.
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Personally traders who operate outside of the escrow system should be flagged and restricted from selling as they are leaching off the site's reputation.
I agree. For ALL types of sales
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I've ordered from George Jung before and everything went smoothly. Product was double sealed and creatively packaged. And I got everything super fast. I'm ordering from him again, but this time it's not as fast, but he's still very responsive and a good guy to deal with.
And you really can't beat his prices (at least, not online). I don't understand how anyone can honestly charge over $250 for a ball of anything. Shit, i used to get high quality balls for $120-$150, 70% where I used to live.
Good luck with Vortex, and let us know how it goes (hopefully good for you and your nose's sake!)
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Very eager to hear happytrails experience with both these vendors. :D
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Hope they both come through for you brother 8)
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i hope they do too, thank you my bro.
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Yeah good luck mate :)
i have been analyzing all the cola dealers to the best of my ability and still can't decide who to go with :(, let alone if they will even ship overseas..
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I am about to place a order with vortexmilkman for 2300USD for 1OZ of the prev top grade stuff.
I never thought about feedback being faked, thing is i am not interested in 1 gram or smalls just OZ's.
But this thread and a few others have made me wary especially as I was going to make a western union payment.
So no one on this forum has had good deals with vortex?
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Another thread says the description was taken off of a bluelight.com thread from 7 years ago.
Read Here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=193.msg1658#msg1658
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super: if you can wait a few days, I also placed an order with vortex. IF he is scammin', lets put a stop to it. He states priority mail, so hopefully by the end of the week.
As far as his bogus feedback, that reminds me of the restaurant down the street that was voted number one in town. Yeah, voted by who? Just a marketing ploy. Sucks if he had to resort to that tactic, and unforgivable even if he does come through.
The bluelight description was just an example of what you will experience using his product. He never stated that it was one of his customers. Maybe he watches too much Mad Men.
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LOL ...too much Mad Men. :D
You're right the proof is in the pudding as they say.
How he handles the orders sets the mood above all else.
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im thinking of buying from vortexmilkman - please post here with your experience, would mega appreciate it
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Has anybody noticed that in every one of VM's feedback posts there is an exclamation point somewhere in the review? What is the probability that every one of your reviews has an exclamation point habit? Or is it that everybody is so happy with their product that they have to exclaim it? I think these reviews had to be written by the same person. The thing is, people who fake their own reviews aren't always scammers too.
However, going out of escrow is a mortal sin, period. Everyone should refuse to do business with people like that.
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People who fake their own reviews are dishonest. I think it is foolish to buy from a dishonest seller because those are the kind of people without honor who will cheat you when times get tough.
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well georgejung came through yesterday.
The gram was decent size and the quality was ok. Not the best coke in the world but it was the real deal without a doubt.
Still waiting for vortexmilk man. Tomarrow will be 7 days since he shipped so if Its not in the mail tomarrow im calling it a scam.
if it does arrive I will let you guys know.
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vortex dude is sketchy
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Ordered from vortex over the weekend (Jun 26th). Initially he said my package would ship Monday (27th), but when I contacted him today, he now says it shipped Tuesday (28th). It did seem a little sketchy that he wanted bitcoins directly, but I saw all the positive feedback and thought it would be OK....didn't realize he could have faked it.
Anyway, I'll wait a few more days (it's only been 2 since shipment) before calling him a scammer, but things are looking pretty grim.
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Lol, has anyone actually received a product from him yet ?
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George is legit. He shipped fast, and great quality product. Love his packaging too.
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Vortex is suss as
Definitely fake feedback , all 12 reviews have exclamation marks!
Although could still be legit
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Someone posted feedback for vortex today "4 of 5 package arrived however quality was not as advertised "
hmmmmm
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i don't like seeing people ask to go outside the escrow system, and frankly think those caught doing it should have their listings removed. if they want to trade that way, they can go to OVDB (not hating on them, just saying its a different setup).
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cant wait to get my bitcoins! George Jung it is
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The Vman with an update. Another thread had him coming through with product, but with "unidentified" problems. I'm hoping for a Tuesday delivery. Shit, who am I kidding, I hoping for A delivery...
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vortexmilkman
send vortexmilkman a message
7-3-11 Update***
HI FRIENDS, IF YOU HAVEN'T RECEIVED YOUR ORDER YET PLEASE BE PATIENT. IT'S ON IT'S WAY TO YOU. WHEN WE SHIP, WE SHIP TO GUARANTEE ARRIVAL. SAFETY AND DISCRETION TAKE PRIORITY.
THANKS!
WE DO HAVE TRACKING NUMBERS AVAILABLE FOR US ORDERS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN RECEIVED.
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I received product from vortexmilkman however the product was not as good as he made it out to be (90%) , not even close
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vortexmm is a scammer. I was looking for some and basically fell for the fake ratings system. 100%, my ass. wish I read the original forum that said "archives" and found the link to this one. i was in a rush. i ordered the 1.7 g from him since 6/23 hoping to have it before the big weekend and got nothing to show for it. check sr, his postings disappeared. my last reply from him was the 2nd. i'm out $$$. but hope georgej comes through for ya. i'm still on the lookout for someone legit. will share the info if/when i find one.
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scammed by vmm here as well, never received a thing.
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message from vmm today:
"No need to worry, I will have tracking for you by the end of the day. Thanks for your patience."
What is up with this dude? I guess I'd rather receive some mediocre product than nothing at all, but I don't really understand what's going on here.
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I just saw where Vman received another rating--a "4". I'll give him a four if there is ANYTHING in my mailbox. I already wrote this deal off, but if he still is corresponding, and someone else got some product, then who knows. ...
It was a lesson of "impatience". I just had to have it now. Dumbass me.
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Order from Moveitnice. He's from Canada but the quality is awesome! I had doubts of what the quality would be, especially since I am in South Florida......I have to say its damn good blow. Great buyer to deal with it! Takes a little long (about 7 days) coming from Canada but the packaging was genius and vendor is very responsive to buyer's questions and needs! A Happy camper!!!!
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LilSis, did you use the SR system or Western Union/MoneyGram that he prefers?
Another up-and-coming vendor is tetravort. Check out the full coke vendor list that I regularly update:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=435.0
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Tetravort - got sample. Pretty good stuff, fast service.
VortexMilkman - sent WU even though I should know better - waited 2 weeks so far - got vague response saying "I will have tracking for you when I get back on"
GeorgeJung - Waiting on first order
Moveit nice - works outside the system, but seems honest. Am going to try.
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LilSis, did you use the SR system or Western Union/MoneyGram that he prefers?
Another up-and-coming vendor is tetravort. Check out the full coke vendor list that I regularly update:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=435.0
Hi Tokin: I used neither. I am a VERT newbie.. he was my first .... LOL........I was confused about bitcoins... I had them in the SR system and Moveitnice did accept it threw the escrow, but then I didnt know how to handle the shipping .. so we worked together and I just sent him the bitcoins directly.........BUT he was in CONSTANT communication with me and delivered as promise. He does not like the BC and yes he does prefer Wu/MG, but he will work with you to accommodate you and will accept BC through the escrow!.... And thanks for the vendor list! My man is moveit!
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Weird. Got my package from vortexmilkman today. Shipped two days ago...over 2 weeks after he claimed it shipped. Guess the constant messaging on SR paid off.
Weight is above what it should be, quality seems OK. Won't order again though, this guy is way too sketch.
If you have an outstanding order with him though, stay in contact, seems like he will ship eventually if you keep bugging him.
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I haven't received my order from vortexmilkman. Its been 17 days. Only ordered 1 gram. As far as i'm concerned he is DODGY. If he refunds my money then i'll post something different.
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I ordered through GeorgeJung and he canceled the order. I dont know why he canceled either because there was no pm from him explaining why?
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I ordered through GeorgeJung and he canceled the order. I dont know why he canceled either because there was no pm from him explaining why?
He has a listing up now, and says he has product. Perhaps the BTC value has dropped since you ordered, and he doesn't want to sell at a loss? With the new hedged escrow system working, dropping (or rising) BTC values shouldn't be a problem, but that doesn't help old orders.
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Canceling orders without explanations, just pisses off buyers.
That being said it's his business and if he wants to run it like he's standing under a freeway overpass, he'll surely get the same results. >.>
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Got my order from Vortex Milkman today - 18 days after he confirmed shipping. I went outside the system and should know better, but getting BTC is a pain. The tracking says it was shipped 5 days ago - and I, like a previous poster, pmed him about it a bunch. I am almost in disbelief that is actually showed up!
I just ripped a big hooter after tasting some. Product is a solid B. I think there is some of the usual cut in there, but its as good as what you can get around here.
I love Silk Road. Even after the sketchy waiting forever part. This is a great service.
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Ordered from vortexmilkman and tetravort. tetravort came in 3-4 days and product seemed ok....that was until I got Vortexmilkman's 20 days after he said it shipped....quality was extremely good. For me it was worth the wait
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Hello my friends
Want to find out the truth about the two main U.S. Cocain suppliers?
Last week I placed an order with both vortexmilkman and GeorgeJung
they both confirmed shipment on Friday 06/24/2011
I placed an order for 1 gram of cocaine from GeorgeJung
and I ordered 3.5 grams of the peruvian flake from cocaine from vortexmilkman
When I placed the orders I did not realize that people can fake their feedback and I was 100% sure that these sellers were both legit based on that feedback - so SR - you need to work something out so people cant fake their feedback so easily! I am hoping that vortex milk man is the real deal and not a scammer like some on here have suggested (I sent him 25 BTC directly) ouch yeah I know it will suck if I get scammed...
but at least if nothing else I will provide a good review to the community you guys can learn from my mistakes if I made one.
In any case they were shipped last friday so they should be here sometime this week and I will post a reply to this topic with full review when shipments are received. If I do not receive anything by friday I will assume it was a scam and will post that information as well.
If anyone would like to donate to me a bitcoin of any size to contribute to me taking the plunge and posting a review for the community
that would be greatly appreciated (Especially if you see I get scammed !) here is the address to send donations to:
18HZfQSmtCLEb9ZrupwzPvZVzAER42Yr7r
so wish me luck and I will keep you updated.
-happytrails
Hey Happytrails,
Even though I don't like coke, I read this whole thread. I have a *theory* on what is going on with Vortexmilkman, see how it sounds to you:
Shipping is approximately 20 days. And he tells you it shipped way back when, in every instance. He can only give tracking numbers a couple days before it shows up at your location. And he wants WU not BTC. Why?
Because VMM is going out, taking all the BTC he's received and cashing them out through an exchanger for LR or an ATM card, buying all the blow he can get his hands on, shipping half and snorting the other half, then repeating the process. I would BET he can't buy any cola until your money shows up or he gets it via BTC exchange.
One pretty good rule in drug forum land is: the harder, or more addictive the substance being purchased, the more likely the seller is a big user of their own product. So your caution should be increased exponentially. Since VMM most likely LOVES blow, he will keep doing this as long as he can until one day the powder is totally gone, the money is all gone, and he hasn't shipped any orders. Then he will disappear and reappear with a new name, like, NVMM=NotVortexMilkMan. Clever, huh? ;)
But more seriously: I'm really glad you (and apparently everyone else too!) didn't lose anything on this transaction. There are ways to examine the feedback and have it tell you exactly what you want to know. It's just a matter of how you view the data, not just the rating, but the underlying data.
If you'd like, send me a pm and tell me why you think you were fooled (what about the feedback made you trust him for the $$$$) and I'll send you some ideas of how to contrast/compare and rank the senior data in the feedback so you don't get fooled again. This is a serious offer, I'm happy to help, despite my (bad) jokes. :D I just really hate people who try to take advantage of the newer buyers on our forum.
Lastly, maybe you guys could talk to the coke dealers about some "truth in advertising"? I've seen fish scale/peruvian flake exactly 2 times in my 30 year drug taking career...and both times were in Central or South America. Maybe if you all harangued them together they would at least post some fairly honest basic test results, like they do for ecstasy, and then if it wasn't as advertised, that could be put in the feedback? I know it's not much of an idea; just trying to plant a seed and someone more knowledgeable with coke selling etiquette and customs could run with the QC ball? :)
(p.s. even though no one lost money on vortexmilkman this time, I'd bet anything that if you continue to do biz with him that day will come; sooner rather than later. Just my opinion; YMMV)
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Interestingly VMM now does not put in his listings that he works outside escrow only. If he is processing transactions normally now, it's better than the non escrow transactions.
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george jung is the main man